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Judge Goldstone's dark past
Tehiya Barak
Published: 06.05.10, 23:55
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121. #14
(05.07.10)
not true. nelson mandella was in prison for his political activities against apartheid while goldstone sat as judge on the bench. mandella never appointed goldstone to be judge. goldstone was judge when mandella was serving prison time. scott montifiore cape town, south africa
122. Intendi, EXACTLY! This will backfire badly...
Michael Hess ,   Charlotte, NC   (05.07.10)
...here in the US I am often called a bleeding heart criminal lover because I am against the death penalty. Most of my fellow Americans appear to love the death penalty, and they also are really into judges who uphold the law as written, not as they interpret it. So expect this to flop in the US, no one here cares about the DP, they love it. As an aside, Bibi wanted Dersh for UN ambassador. That says it all for where Israel is truly headed folks. You are going over the abyss, being led not only by Bibi but by your own hatred and from living in the Israeli information bubble where you simply are not told what the world really thinks of you or your actions. You have no idea just how bad Israel's image really is right now. And Dersh does not help. Quite the opposite indeed.
123. #53 - "I'm in disgust"
William ,   Israel   (05.07.10)
But you don't seemed to be very in-formed. Neither was Goldstone when you accepted the testimony of Hamas and the few citizens Hamas allowed the inquiry team to speak to in order to draft the Goldstone Report.
124. #54 - do you have data to back that up?
William ,   Israel   (05.07.10)
Because I have served on several juries and none of them were 100% white as you claim, regardless of who was on trial. And you answered your own question when you stated that a high population of blacks sat in US jails....and even higher crime rates in the black community. Perhaps it was just "whitey" causing all the mayhem in places like Harlem, Bronx, East LA, Detroit, North Philly, etc.
125. #68 - SA barred Blacks from school, buses, and cities
William ,   Israel   (05.07.10)
That is neither the case of Arabs in Israel....by law or by action. Your post speaks volumes of your biased ignorance and your underlying guilt of your past.
126. #73 - you mean the Jewish defense forces...
William ,   Israel   (05.07.10)
created AFTER 10 years of racist Arab massacres of Jews all over the region? Somehow I doubt your claims....especially after one of the architects of the Deir Yassin lie went on the BBC in the 1990s to admit the failed strategy which led to the fleeing of the majority of Arabs who left without ever seeing a Jewish soldier. He called it their biggest blunder....today, you revised it and call it "Nakba".
127. #76 - But why didn't most Pals agree to 1999 peace actions?
William ,   Israel   (05.07.10)
For some reason, the existence of an Israel next door to you, despite having freedom of movement all over the region, having the fastest growing economy in the world, and a real sense of hope, you gave it all up for the failed racist intifada. Actually, most "Palestinians" polled cited the intifada as a big blunder by Arafat. So, if you're willing to throw away a good future for roughly everything you ask for today, and willing to support some of the most heinous killings I've ever seen in my life...what makes you think we'd even trust you at this point? Besides - the 2002 Peace Accords were offered without the right of Israel to make adjustments and does not address the major facts of the past, namely that most Arabs calling themselves Palestinians are from illegal economic migrants. A real peace deal will allow settlement in the WB and Gaza only, and only to those who can prove ownership of land in the region from prior to 1948; and one that incorporates the issue of 800,000 Jewish refugees that need restitution.
128. The law, from Goldstone point of vue
Joe   (05.07.10)
Mr Goldstone,you can sleep peacefully. Don't worry about your conscience..What you did was what every law abiding citizen did and should do; upholding the law of the mother land. For this unswerving, relentless, outstanding service, you deserve the gratitude of South Africa. Come to think ; Himmler did uphold the laws of his country, so did Albert Heim (the butcher), and Mengele, and Himler, and Claus Barbie, and most Germans, then. The word conscience had not been invented yet. But today ???
129. Sami #87: I'm flabbertgasted. You
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (05.07.10)
actually place the suicide bombings by Palestinian Arabs on Israel. Would you place the blame for suicide bombings and suicide flights in the USA and the UK on each respective country's governments as opposed to the demonstrated way Muslims deal with their own frustrations and their demonizations of infidels? I would also note how the Muslim fatwahs against targetted figures in western Europe and the subsequent murders and attempted murders which have taken place as a result. Would you therefore blame the western worlds' governments as opposed to the Muslim immigrants who initiated such violence? In my experience, there is a vastly greater likelihood of non-Muslims accepting some responsibility for the deplorable state of our social world than Muslims who always seem to have achieved expertise at blaming and making others responsible. As a result, there is generally (not always) any point in attempting dialogue with Muslims. You, Sami, are an example of the kind of Muslim I am speaking of. Incidentally, I do have Muslim friends and acquaintances with whom I do have good dialogue. Yours, however, is an extreme case of refusal to own up to what is yours.
130. Distorted Slander
Jenni ,   Israel   (05.07.10)
As a former South African, I find this report totally distorted and disgusting. Goldstone was fully accepted by the ANC - check all your facts first! From today I will no longer read or buy your newspaper.
131. Goldstone-Rotten to the Core
Elizabethlynne ,   Dallas, Texas   (05.07.10)
This all points to the obvious fact that Goldstone is a mentally sick individual without values, morals, or decency. He is disgusting, discrediting the entire report---which was ludicrous in its assertions, without facts or truth.
132. Goldstone to be praised for his impartial War Crimes Report
Tayfun_Turkey ,   Istanbul   (05.07.10)
I trust Goldstone will send Zionist to Gallows as well. Mengele is not a judge and did not excersise law, he was a doctor doing medical experiments on human beings and torturing human That is not law, Goldstone's past is as brite as the sun Israel commited war crimes and still commiting war crimes every day.
133. what soup are you stirring ? is this a witchhunt ?
eporue ,   europe   (05.07.10)
when goldstone committed crimes against humanity (or whatever is suggested), then he should be tried in an international court. so, if you think he acted as a criminal in his capacity as a judge, then file a complaint against him... but its a bit disturbing, when your FM openly calls for a witchhunt ("PR")... whatever goldstones "past" is, it doesnt make the report void nor does it even mean it must be "flawed".
134. Hess, so woeful and sad, maybe all is already lost
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (05.07.10)
Hess is just another silly foreigner ignoring what Goldstone himself said: the Palestinians are war criminals. Notice that Hess did not call for any investigation into the Pals? Why? Because then it would be proof to all that the Palestinians did indeed cause the Gaza war. "... the report contains the clearest finding that Hamas and other militant Palestinian groups committed serious war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity. The acceptance of those findings by the Human Rights Council and the General Assembly has been ignored completely..." Richard Goldstone, Interviewed by Ha'aretz, Nov 13 2009 But then again, Hess is not stranger to bearing false witness in that he posted that I don't live in Israel. I do. So Michael, I again invite you to meet me in Jerusalem....how about Sunday morning and I'll bring a long a list of churches you can go to (the rest of us go to work as Sunday is a regular work day here in the Holy Land).
135. #125
Arthur White ,   JHB South Africa   (05.07.10)
It is you Israel that should take a very good look at youre selfs ,and youre actions in the middle east before you critizise,just that you know I have family that made aliya and then left Israel becouse they where so disgusted by the instituded racism practicesd by the state towards the arabs,ethopians.
136. Goldstone
Adam ,   UK/Israel   (05.07.10)
The $64000 Question Is How Many White People Did He Sentence To The Death Penalty ?
137. 105 - both sides yes, but not morally equivalent
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.07.10)
there is no moral equivalence comparing what palestinians do and what israelis do. actually, it's disgusting to claim that there is. both sides want territory, both want their own state, both say they want peace. one wants to drive the other into the sea (and is currently trying). i detest attempts of moral equivalence. both sides are guilty of things but one is a pluralistic democracy with flaws, the other is unapologetically against everything that is decent and moral.
138. #135-Does'nt say much for your family.
Janice Cohen ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.07.10)
They made aliya for all the wrong reasons.
139. #129 Raymond
Sami ,   Lebanon   (05.07.10)
To Mr. Robert Haymond I have short answer for you .If Palestinian were all Christian, Israel didn’t exist from the beginning and you would end up in Uganda as one of suggested choice. Muslim suiciders are targeting American and American allies only who give blind support for Israel and its bully aggression .That is the core of all problems. J street and J call know better this reality and want save Israel from itself. I am not supporting the actions of going blowing here and there but don’t insert the culture here. Islam prohibits suicide and self killing. The core of all problem is the Israeli occupation and the ongoing unfair and injustice in the Middle East, period. The rest all are interpretation and consequences.
140. Where Did the UN Find This Guy??
Christy ,   Boston, US   (05.07.10)
I believe he was chosen for a reason - to be used to paint all Jews with the same racist brush as Goldstone because the UN believed his report would be favorable towards Israel and the Jews. Once a report favoring Israel was issued by Goldstone folks in the UN would 'discover' his past and claim that he's just sticking up for apartheid Israel since he was a *real* apartheid supporter in SA and recognized kindred spirits in Israel. Think about it - how many white - and Jewish - judges are around who lived in SA during apartheid and supported apartheid law? ** I'd be willing to bet they are few and far between. ** I believe Goldstone was set-up to reinforce the apartheid slander against Israel. Unfortunately, as was stated, Goldstone decided to please the anti Israel crowd at the UN hoping his past would be forgiven by doing so.
141. Sickening
Barka ,   canada   (05.07.10)
Will you stop at nothing to defame a critic? Dershowitz compares Goldstone with Mengele? Goldstone is supposed to "look long and hard in the mirror and to do some soul-searching before he rushes to criticize others" ???? Pot. Kettle. Black!!! Judge Goldstone applied the law of a country that Israel, if I remember correctly, counted among her close 'friends'. Why get upset now? When will Israel apply UN 181, rather than just display it in every public office?
142. Excellent job Ynet!
Johnny ,   Stockholm Sweden   (05.07.10)
143. Mengele did not follow orders, he gave them
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (05.07.10)
Dr.Mengele was both a Ph.d. and a M.D. He performed experiments on twins and others often without anastesia. He never said that he folowed orders(Eichmann did). Mengele was the personification of evil as were the other Nazi Doctors. What a shame that Mengele never faced justice.
144. Perhaps...
Jay ,   sharon   (05.07.10)
it's hard to believe words coming out of Alan's mouth but if this story about Goldstone were true it still doesn't change the fact that the IDF committed war crimes and many more before Gaza and way back upon creation of the state itself.
145. NO CHEAP SHOT! Well done!Not Texas
Debra ,   Johannesburg SA   (05.07.10)
Goldstone was an Apartheid judges. I grew up in SA and I know Apartheid. Black people did not stand a cjance if caught by the law. They had no decent defence and the law was against them because of their colour! To be an Apartheid judge and uphold racist laws was to collaborate with one the most heinous crimes of the 20th Century.Apartheid was a crime against humanity and Goldstone is a hypocrite and deserves exposure !
146. FABULOUS EXPOSURE OF GALLSTONE THE HYPOCRITE
Scott   (05.07.10)
147. Judge Goldstone's dark past
Steven Greenstein ,   Ra'anana   (05.07.10)
Covered by Tehiya Barak, Tzadok Yehezkeli Dear Sirs/Madams The article on Judge Richard Goldstone that appeared on May 5, 2010 edition of your newspaper refers. I believe it is important to consider the criticisms of Judge Goldstone in the article in the context of the judgments upon which the critical comments are based. I assume all the judgments are reported in law reports of South African judgments, and that the reporter or reporters concerned made a study of the relevant judgments. Kindly supply me with a list of the judgements concerned. Thanking you in anticipation of your cooperation. Yours faithfully, Steven Greenstein Ra'anana
148. Apartheid
Jane ,   Czech Republic   (05.07.10)
Jewish Israelis, tell me, please - why your country supported SA apartheid regime till his last minute? You had all diplomatic connections with that regime, including military. Form 1970 year you supported SA military nuclear research!!!!!!!!!! So, what you want criticise, indeed? When your Jew used to sent to death "only" blacks in SA, it was all right. But, if the same Jew criticise zionist crimes, he is "antisemite" at once! Oh, what hypocrisy...
149. and this changes the findings how?
jj   (05.07.10)
how does this change the israeli war crimes? i dont get it.
150. Dershowitz: helped OJ, the killer get away with murder
Ahamd ,   Mother Earth   (05.07.10)
Dershowitz sold his sole to money and a killer who killed two innocent lives one of whom is a Jew. I guess for money its Ok for one to sell his own. Shame on you Dershowitz.
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